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joannalannister:

Much as I admire Tolkien, and I do admire Tolkien — he’s been a huge influence on me, and his Lord of the Rings is the mountain that leans over every other fantasy written since and shaped all of modern fantasy — there are things about it, the whole concept of the Dark Lord, and good guys battling bad guys, Good versus Evil, while brilliantly handled in Tolkien, in the hands of many Tolkien successors, it has become kind of a cartoon. We don’t need any more Dark Lords, we don’t need any more, ‘Here are the good guys, they’re in white, there are the bad guys, they’re in black. And also, they’re really ugly, the bad guys. **George R. R. Martin, Assignment X Interview, 2011

There are a lot of things I think are wrong with this theory:

  • Daenerys Targaryen is not evil. Daenerys often makes mistakes, but that doesn’t make her evil. She’s one of the characters who has a great love for humanity. Her attempts to end slavery in various cities, to have people be seen as people and not objects, humanizing so many in Martin’s world, has always made me see her as one of the main protagonists of ASOIAF. “The threat of the Targaryens” is bullshit.
  • lol I don’t think that Stannis is going to become the Night’s King
  • The wildlings have lived beyond the Wall for hundreds of years, their living beyond the Wall is not the cause of the Others waking up
  • The Others woke up well before the dragons were born again into the world, so the direction of causality assumed by the theory is wrong
  • too much other ridiculous crack for me to spend time picking apart

But I thought this was very interesting:

We know that there has already been a peace between human and inhuman/supernatural beings in Westeros. The First Men and the Children came to terms and agreed to a peace treaty (which was later broken by the Andal invaders)

I propose that the Last Hero was not a conqueror, but a diplomat. An agreement was reached between Men and the Others. It was the Others themselves that raised the magical wall of ice, not to seal themselves off but to mark their territory and protect themselves from a dangerous source of fire magic to the south of their domain. […] The Others, then, fulfilled their side of the agreement. They went away and left Men alone. Men, unfortunately, did not keep up their end of the bargain. […]  

If I’m right, the Others are not so different from Men, and the greater conflict not so different from the smaller one. Pacts were made, backstabbing and broken oaths occurred, and now there’s war.

I think Bran’s political training from ACOK could be very important to his future, and I tend to think that the War for the Dawn is where it will be used. (I think of Bran as the key figure in the War for the Dawn.)

Much as I admire Tolkien, and I do admire Tolkien — he’s been a huge influence on me, and his Lord of the Rings is the mountain that leans over every other fantasy written since and shaped all of modern fantasy — there are things about it, the whole concept of the Dark Lord, and good guys battling bad guys, Good versus Evil, while brilliantly handled in Tolkien, in the hands of many Tolkien successors, it has become kind of a cartoon. We don’t need any more Dark Lords, we don’t need any more, ‘Here are the good guys, they’re in white, there are the bad guys, they’re in black. And also, they’re really ugly, the bad guys. **George R. R. Martin, Assignment X Interview, 2011

valarmorghulisandstuff asked:

what is (f) or fAegon? I’ve googled but I have no idea what it means :(

"(F)Aegon" refers to the theory that Young Griff, the young man that Tyrion encountered in A Dance With Dragons and was revealed to be Aegon Targaryen, Rhaegar’s son who was supposedly killed by Gregor Clegane but actually switched with another baby… is a fake, not really Aegon, but someone else who’s been raised to believe he’s Aegon. Jon Connington (who helped raise the boy) is unaware of the deception, and possibly Haldon Halfmaester and Septa Lemore are unaware too. The only ones who know the truth are Illyrio and Varys, and theories hold that “Aegon” is actually Illyrio’s son, a Blackfyre, or both. See our tag for more.

Anyway, “fake Aegon” is often shortened to (f)Aegon or FAegon. I don’t use the term myself (I prefer “Aegon”) but lots of other people do.

— your mod nobodysuspectsthebutterfly

nobodysuspectsthebutterfly:

Yes, he most likely is. And it might, or it might not be. Note, major spoilers for A Dance With Dragons:
Prince Aegon, aka Young Griff, was one of the bigger twists and revelations of ADWD. From AGOT onwards, we’d been told that Rhaegar Targaryen’s infant son, the heir to the throne, “The Prince That Was Promised”, had been murdered during the Sack of King’s Landing in Robert’s Rebellion, his head smashed against a wall. And then in ADWD, Tyrion meets a young man who dyes his hair blue, being raised by Rhaegar’s closest friend, Jon Connington. And he realizes that this is Aegon, somehow switched with another poor baby by Varys and smuggled out of King’s Landing before the Sack.
And it’s really easy for readers to believe this. We’re told that Aegon has been raised by a carefully selected group of teachers, taught history and religion and politics and strategy, that he views kingship as a responsibility and not an entitlement. He appears handsome, intelligent, charismatic, decisive — he takes Tyrion’s advice and doesn’t wait around for Dany, but begins the invasion of Westeros immediately… And for readers who’ve been waiting 4 books for Dany to get to Westeros, it’s really easy to be on his side, and think, “finally, a Targaryen who’s doing something.”
Which is a mistake. And readers who have been following GRRM so far should realize that. Because we’ve been seeing clues to Aegon’s existence all along, and they’re not good ones. In ADWD, Quaithe tells Dany of the people coming to visit her: “Kraken and dark flame, lion and griffin, the sun’s son and the mummer’s dragon. Trust none of them.” Aegon, Varys’s puppet king, is the mummer’s dragon. And a mummer’s dragon, in case you didn’t know, is a fake dragon on sticks used in plays— just like Dany’s vision in the House of the Undying: “A cloth dragon swayed on poles amidst a cheering crowd. . . . mother of dragons, slayer of lies.”
But prophecy isn’t enough to prove this, right? Well, we’re told Illyrio’s late wife, Serra, was from Lys — and Lys is famously known for its blondes of Valyrian descent. Tyrion, while in Illyrio’s house, found a trunk filled with blue children’s clothes — blue, like the color Aegon dyed his hair to help disguise his eye color. Illyrio seems to care for Aegon, and sends him good wishes… I’d say it’s almost certain that the boy is actually his son by his Lyseni wife.
Now, there’s a secondary theory that suspects that Aegon is not just Lyseni, but a Blackfyre, a descendant of the bastard son of Aegon IV Targaryen. (And not just Aegon, but Varys too — I’ve seen a theory that suggests that Varys and Serra were siblings, descended from the female line of House Blackfyre.) The Golden Company, the mercenary group founded to bring a Blackfyre to the throne of Westeros, supports Aegon. And when asked how he convinced them to break their contract with Myr, Illyrio replies, “Some contracts are writ in ink, and some in blood.” He also says they’d support any dragon, red or black, but if you know of Bittersteel’s legendary enmity with the Targaryens, it seems a little strange that they would support Dany. And note the Golden Company was to join Aegon on his way to Dany, but they sent no messages of support to her themselves, and Illyrio made no mention of them when he sent Ser Barristan to Dany. (And there’s probably a reason for that, considering Barristan Selmy killed the last Blackfyre pretender, who’d led the Golden Company to war in the Stepstones.)
Now, I’m not sure of the Blackfyre theory (especially regarding Varys)… but the fact that those history lessons were brought up multiple times in ADWD, and that GRRM wrote The Mystery Knight, a Dunk and Egg story dealing with the second Blackfyre Rebellion, while working on ADWD… well, if it turns out to be so, I wouldn’t be at all surprised. (And speaking of D&E, the fact that Aegon is accompanied by a tall knight nicknamed “Duck”, so that it’s Duck and Egg, but with a false prince instead of a false knight this time ‘round — it just amuses me.)
But I am certain that the young man who was raised as Aegon firmly believes he’s Aegon. And the likely fact that he’s not actually a Targaryen, that he might be false… will that matter, would that stop him from being a good king? I don’t think it would — I don’t believe in “the divine right of kings”, and I think with his education and advisors he really could do a good job, that he could possibly be the political savior Westeros has been needing. But intentions don’t matter when it comes to the dragons… and I think when they encounter him, that’s when the “slayer of lies” will move from prophecy to reality.
That is, if Jon Connington’s greyscale doesn’t kill Aegon first. The one thing I’m absolutely certain of — true or false, Targaryen or not, that poor boy has “doomed” written all over him.

nobodysuspectsthebutterfly:

Yes, he most likely is. And it might, or it might not be. Note, major spoilers for A Dance With Dragons:

Prince Aegon, aka Young Griff, was one of the bigger twists and revelations of ADWD. From AGOT onwards, we’d been told that Rhaegar Targaryen’s infant son, the heir to the throne, “The Prince That Was Promised”, had been murdered during the Sack of King’s Landing in Robert’s Rebellion, his head smashed against a wall. And then in ADWD, Tyrion meets a young man who dyes his hair blue, being raised by Rhaegar’s closest friend, Jon Connington. And he realizes that this is Aegon, somehow switched with another poor baby by Varys and smuggled out of King’s Landing before the Sack.

And it’s really easy for readers to believe this. We’re told that Aegon has been raised by a carefully selected group of teachers, taught history and religion and politics and strategy, that he views kingship as a responsibility and not an entitlement. He appears handsome, intelligent, charismatic, decisive — he takes Tyrion’s advice and doesn’t wait around for Dany, but begins the invasion of Westeros immediately… And for readers who’ve been waiting 4 books for Dany to get to Westeros, it’s really easy to be on his side, and think, “finally, a Targaryen who’s doing something.”

Which is a mistake. And readers who have been following GRRM so far should realize that. Because we’ve been seeing clues to Aegon’s existence all along, and they’re not good ones. In ADWD, Quaithe tells Dany of the people coming to visit her: “Kraken and dark flame, lion and griffin, the sun’s son and the mummer’s dragon. Trust none of them.” Aegon, Varys’s puppet king, is the mummer’s dragon. And a mummer’s dragon, in case you didn’t know, is a fake dragon on sticks used in plays— just like Dany’s vision in the House of the Undying: “A cloth dragon swayed on poles amidst a cheering crowd. . . . mother of dragons, slayer of lies.”

But prophecy isn’t enough to prove this, right? Well, we’re told Illyrio’s late wife, Serra, was from Lys — and Lys is famously known for its blondes of Valyrian descent. Tyrion, while in Illyrio’s house, found a trunk filled with blue children’s clothes — blue, like the color Aegon dyed his hair to help disguise his eye color. Illyrio seems to care for Aegon, and sends him good wishes… I’d say it’s almost certain that the boy is actually his son by his Lyseni wife.

Now, there’s a secondary theory that suspects that Aegon is not just Lyseni, but a Blackfyre, a descendant of the bastard son of Aegon IV Targaryen. (And not just Aegon, but Varys too — I’ve seen a theory that suggests that Varys and Serra were siblings, descended from the female line of House Blackfyre.) The Golden Company, the mercenary group founded to bring a Blackfyre to the throne of Westeros, supports Aegon. And when asked how he convinced them to break their contract with Myr, Illyrio replies, “Some contracts are writ in ink, and some in blood.” He also says they’d support any dragon, red or black, but if you know of Bittersteel’s legendary enmity with the Targaryens, it seems a little strange that they would support Dany. And note the Golden Company was to join Aegon on his way to Dany, but they sent no messages of support to her themselves, and Illyrio made no mention of them when he sent Ser Barristan to Dany. (And there’s probably a reason for that, considering Barristan Selmy killed the last Blackfyre pretender, who’d led the Golden Company to war in the Stepstones.)

Now, I’m not sure of the Blackfyre theory (especially regarding Varys)… but the fact that those history lessons were brought up multiple times in ADWD, and that GRRM wrote The Mystery Knight, a Dunk and Egg story dealing with the second Blackfyre Rebellion, while working on ADWD… well, if it turns out to be so, I wouldn’t be at all surprised. (And speaking of D&E, the fact that Aegon is accompanied by a tall knight nicknamed “Duck”, so that it’s Duck and Egg, but with a false prince instead of a false knight this time ‘round — it just amuses me.)

But I am certain that the young man who was raised as Aegon firmly believes he’s Aegon. And the likely fact that he’s not actually a Targaryen, that he might be false… will that matter, would that stop him from being a good king? I don’t think it would — I don’t believe in “the divine right of kings”, and I think with his education and advisors he really could do a good job, that he could possibly be the political savior Westeros has been needing. But intentions don’t matter when it comes to the dragons… and I think when they encounter him, that’s when the “slayer of lies” will move from prophecy to reality.

That is, if Jon Connington’s greyscale doesn’t kill Aegon first. The one thing I’m absolutely certain of — true or false, Targaryen or not, that poor boy has “doomed” written all over him.

What is your predicted ending for Asoiaf if you dont mind explaining in brief?

joannalannister:

I have difficulty with “brief” but basically 

The Wall will fall at the end of TWOW, while the Red Keep will accidentally go up in a giant ball of wildfire as the various sides (Dany, (f)Aegon, Cersei, etc) try to control King’s Landing. (Nice ice/fire parallels, nice juxtaposition between the zombie war and the political war.) Humanity will be pushed back, all the way to the Trident. There’s probably very little food because the Greyjoys will have burned the Reach and the Westerlands, along with Oldtown and a lot of important documents on dragons and dragonglass and stuff that they keep there (Samwell Tarly’s mind is going to be very important). 

I think ASOIAF has four messiahs: Bran (acting as the Battle Commander) and Dany, Jon & Tyrion as the Three Heads of the Dragon, with Stannis acting as a commander of the majority of the forces on the ground.

Because Bran has the ability to transcend time and space (and he’s had that ability since book 1), he will occupy the metaphorical “high ground” of the battle against the ice zombies and he will be able to direct the battle from his command center in the cave. The cave will be under siege, and that unguarded back door to the cave is a thing everyone should be very worried about right now. 

The Three Heads will have to fly to the Curtain of Light in the Land of Always Winter, basically leaving Stannis alone, without backup, letting him feel abandoned like he did during the Siege of Storm’s End. (Paging somedeadman.) Stannis will fight “to the bitter end”, dying in the process.

All the three heads of the dragon are going to die. Dany, before she flies out, is going to swear to someone — Missandei, Jorah, the refugees from King’s Landing, idk — Dany is going to promise someone that she’s going to come back and take care of them all/make this right (basically a parallel to Rhaegar saying goodbye to Jaime at the end of the Rebellion), and once she gets up there, it’s going to be a Bruce-Willis-in-Armageddon situation, where she will be required to sacrifice herself for her people, out of her love for humanity — a betrayal for love. 

The Iron Throne is destroyed, underscoring GRRM’s point that war for a stupid metal chair is pointless. There is no more central government, the Seven Kingdoms break up into seven different kingdoms again, humanity has to rebuild civilization from the ruins. The epilogue is a Bran POV, with Bran guarding humanity against the newly imprisoned Great Other and looking into the future and seeing Winterfell rebuilt and stuff.

The more detailed version is here: /tagged/endgame/chrono

PS - Bloodraven is not evil

PPS - I think Tyrion is one of the three heads of the dragon, but Tyrion is not a Secret Targaryen. GRRM himself has said it is possible to be one of the three heads without being a Targ.

Hi! Okay, I've always been convinced that Aegon is fAegon, and while I find it likely that he's Illyrio's son, I'm a bit lost when it comes to the motivation. Sure, having your son become King is neat; but Illyrio lives a splendid life, he's rich and powerful, and as his heir Young Griff would get all that wealth and all that power. What do you think convinced Illyrio to say “nah” and send Young Griff away to live a very dangerous life with the even more dangerous goal of becoming Westeros' 1/3

nobodysuspectsthebutterfly:

King after a civil war he has to win? I mean, being King is not especially healthy in Westeros. Why is it more important to him to maaaaybe have his son’s butt on that ugly chair (and the extra power and wealth that’d bring Illyrio, though probably not that much) with a high chance he’ll die on the road with JonCon and the team/die in the Civil War/die in an politically unstable Westeros? Illyrio isn’t stupid, he probably knows about the dangers. Does he simply not care about Young Griff’s life or…?? I just don’t get it, from a fatherly perspective.

If the theory that “Aegon” is Illyrio’s son is true, then most likely Varys was very convincing. If the theory that Illyrio’s late wife Serra was a Blackfyre (from the female line) and Aegon’s mother is also true, then Illyrio may see Aegon gaining the throne of Westeros as a way of returning to his wife the things that were stolen from her and her family. I mean, he found her as a prostitute in a Lysene brothel. As “high-class” as the pillow houses of Lys are considered to be, that’s quite a step down for a descendant of Targaryens… and those who work in those places are all slaves. (Note, as it’s relevant to these theories, that Varys was also born a slave in Lys.)

And Illyrio loved Serra very much:

Illyrio thrust his right hand up his left sleeve and drew out a silver locket. Inside was a painted likeness of a woman with big blue eyes and pale golden hair streaked by silver. “Serra. I found her in a Lysene pillow house and brought her home to warm my bed, but in the end I wed her. Me, whose first wife had been a cousin of the Prince of Pentos. The palace gates were closed to me thereafter, but I did not care. The price was small enough, for Serra.”

—ADWD, Tyrion II

Like, Illyrio gave up his reputation and high status in Pentos to marry Serra. And he still keeps her picture on him, how many years after she died? That’s love. Perhaps before she died of the grey plague, she made him promise to do his best to put their son on the throne of Westeros, to give him back his heritage, no matter what.

Yes, it’s quite a bit of supposition, but if there’s something we’ve learned about ASOIAF, it’s that people will do many illogical and dangerous things for love. And considering the result if Aegon wins, Illyrio may not believe that what he’s doing is illogical at all… and that as his father, it’s the only right thing to do.

“Tell the boy I am sorry that I will not be with him for his wedding. I will rejoin you in Westeros. That I swear, by my sweet Serra’s hands.”

—ADWD, Tyrion III

frowningforever:

ummm so i worked pretty hard on this and i hope you guys find it useful. i’ll be doing one of these for each of the asoiaf books in turn. 

one tidbit i wanna leave you guys with: rhaegar’s daughter rhaenys had a black kitten called balerion…i suspect this is the same wild tomcat arya was trying to catch before she found the dragon room. grrm loves throwing little targaryen mentions in unexpected places, and the symbolism is fun: targaryens are scrappy survivors, hiding in plain sight.

anyway, thanks for reading!

lordbryndenrivers:

I every much enjoy ASOIAF theories, so I decided to make myself a master post of various theories and share it with you! Many of these theories range was serious to plain silly. Some of these links are very long and some of them are just a paragraph. Many of there theories come from Westeros.org, Reddit, asongoftheories and other tumblr users.
I know there are many more theories out there and if you would like me to put them on this list you may message me! (:
Identities: 
The Cleganes: gravedigger - x x video robert strong - x x
Jon Snow: x x x x x x video
Secret Targaryens: x x x x x x x
The Knight of the Laughing Tree: x x x
Coldhands: x x x x x x
Aegon VI: x x x x x x
The Reeds: x x x x
The Hooded Man: x x x
Septa Lemore: x x x
Alleras the Sphinx: x x 
Quaithe: x x x
Jaqen H’ghar: x
Melisandre: x x
The Valonqar: x x x x
The Harpy: x video
Tysha: x x
Rhaegar Targaryen: x x x
Missandei: x
Conspiracy:
Varys: x x x
The Tyrells: x x
Faceless Men: x x
Purple Wedding: x x
Targaryen and Blackfrye Alliance: x 
The North: x x x x x video
Southron Ambitions: x 
The Vale: x 
The Citadel: x x
The Dornish: x video
Dreams & Prophecies:
Patchface: x x
Bran Stark: x x x x
Arya Stark: x
Jon Snow: x x x
Shireen: x
Melisandre: x x 
Moqorro: x
House of the Undying: x x x
Ghost of High Heart: x x x
Maggy the Frog: x x
Quaithe: x x
Mirri Maz Duur: x
Azor Ahai: x x x x x x x x x x
Other:
Oberyn poisoning Tywin: x x
Balon Greyjoy’s Death: x
Roose Bolton: x video
Syrio Forel: x x
Sansa Stark: x x
Arya Stark: x
Bran Stark: x x
Daenerys: x x
King’s Landing: x x
Summerhall: x
Winterfell’s crypts: x
Khal Drogo’s Fire: x
Shireen’s Purpose: x x
Benjen Stark: x x x
Meereen: x x
The Pink Letter: x x video
ASOIAF and the Revelations: x
The ending: x x x x x x x
Multiple Theories: video

lordbryndenrivers:

I every much enjoy ASOIAF theories, so I decided to make myself a master post of various theories and share it with you! Many of these theories range was serious to plain silly. Some of these links are very long and some of them are just a paragraph. Many of there theories come from Westeros.org, Reddit, asongoftheories and other tumblr users.

I know there are many more theories out there and if you would like me to put them on this list you may message me! (:

  • Identities: 
  1. The Cleganes: gravedigger - x x video robert strong - x x
  2. Jon Snow: x x x x x x video
  3. Secret Targaryens: x x x x x x x
  4. The Knight of the Laughing Tree: x x x
  5. Coldhands: x x x x x x
  6. Aegon VI: x x x x x x
  7. The Reeds: x x x x
  8. The Hooded Man: x x x
  9. Septa Lemore: x x x
  10. Alleras the Sphinx: x x 
  11. Quaithe: x x x
  12. Jaqen H’ghar: x
  13. Melisandre: x x
  14. The Valonqar: x x x x
  15. The Harpy: x video
  16. Tysha: x x
  17. Rhaegar Targaryen: x x x
  18. Missandei: x
  • Conspiracy:
  1. Varys: x x x
  2. The Tyrells: x x
  3. Faceless Men: x x
  4. Purple Wedding: x x
  5. Targaryen and Blackfrye Alliance: x 
  6. The North: x x x x x video
  7. Southron Ambitions: x 
  8. The Vale: x 
  9. The Citadel: x x
  10. The Dornish: x video
  • Dreams & Prophecies:
  1. Patchface: x x
  2. Bran Stark: x x x x
  3. Arya Stark: x
  4. Jon Snow: x x x
  5. Shireen: x
  6. Melisandre: x x 
  7. Moqorro: x
  8. House of the Undying: x x x
  9. Ghost of High Heart: x x x
  10. Maggy the Frog: x x
  11. Quaithe: x x
  12. Mirri Maz Duur: x
  13. Azor Ahai: x x x x x x x x x x
  • Other:
  1. Oberyn poisoning Tywin: x x
  2. Balon Greyjoy’s Death: x
  3. Roose Bolton: x video
  4. Syrio Forel: x x
  5. Sansa Stark: x x
  6. Arya Stark: x
  7. Bran Stark: x x
  8. Daenerys: x x
  9. King’s Landing: x x
  10. Summerhall: x
  11. Winterfell’s crypts: x
  12. Khal Drogo’s Fire: x
  13. Shireen’s Purpose: x x
  14. Benjen Stark: x x x
  15. Meereen: x x
  16. The Pink Letter: x x video
  17. ASOIAF and the Revelations: x
  18. The ending: x x x x x x x
  19. Multiple Theories: video
so Jaime is the one who kills Cersei?
Anonymous

youngermorebeautifulqueen:

Oh yes. Accept no other Valonqar theory, they’re either a.) Tyrion stans who think he deserves his “revenge” on Cersei or b.) desperately hoping that Jaime doesn’t kill Cersei, because they can’t handle it. 

But GRRM makes it very, very clear in the text that this is where her story is heading. Cersei’s Greek tragedy ends when the person she trusts the most kills her. 

I mean Jaime is her younger brother. Not that Cersei ever thinks that he would kill her. It’s Tyrion, it has to be, because Jaime would never hurt her right? Which makes a better story, than anything else when the person Cersei never suspected, never thought of, and always trusted to be her protector is the one to kill her. 

Also Jaime has notably been using his golden hand as a weapon:

Jaime’s golden hand cracked him across the mouth so hard the other knight went stumbling down the steps. 

He has had violent thoughts about using that hand to hurt Cersei: 

Last night he dreamed he found her (Cersei) fucking Moon Boy. He’d killed the fool and smashed his sister’s teeth to splinters with his golden hand, just as Gregor Clegane had done to poor Pia. 

Though I don’t think Jaime will wind up killing Cersei because of “Lancel, the Kettlebecks and Moonboy”. I think it will parallel when he killed Aerys. And as Lena pointed out, Cersei’s children are the one thing that keep her from falling into the abyss of pure fucking madness, and Tommen and Myrcella will die before Cersei. 

"Gold shall be their crowns and gold their shrouds,” she said. “And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you."

By that point Cersei’s steady descent into madness will be complete, and Cersei Lannister is definitely the type to take everyone with her than go peacefully. 

And Jaime will be forced to, for the good of the realm, kill his sister. 

This little gem, feels far too much like a Chekhov’s gun to me. 

"Lord Hallyne has assured me that his pyromancers can control the fire."  The Guild of Alchemist had been brewing fresh wildfire for a fortnight.. "Let all of King’s Landing see the flames. It will be a lesson to our enemies." 

"Now you sound like Aerys

Further more, from a narrative standpoint, Jaime makes the best killer, because Jaime killing Cersei makes the best story. Jaime killing Cersei will stick with the reader far more than if Tyrion, or Sandor, or Rickon kills Cersei. 

Hi, I recently finished reading all the books and your site has been amazing for handling my theory-craving needs. I have one question that still lingers and I was wondering if you had a theory or read something I missed in the book that indicates what happen to the original Stark blade Ice. I know that the Valyrian blade with it's name is melted down, but what about the original blade?

nobodysuspectsthebutterfly:

Oh wow, the original original sword Ice? You mean this one?

Catelyn had no love for swords, but she could not deny that Ice had its own beauty. It had been forged in Valyria, before the Doom had come to the old Freehold, when the ironsmiths had worked their metal with spells as well as hammers. Four hundred years old it was, and as sharp as the day it was forged. The name it bore was older still, a legacy from the age of heroes, when the Starks were Kings in the North.

—AGOT, Catelyn I

It’s possible that sword may not have ever existed. It’s hard to tell if any of the stories of the Age of Heroes are true.

"The oldest histories we have were written after the Andals came to Westeros. The First Men only left us runes on rocks, so everything we know about the Age of Heroes and the Dawn Age and the Long Night comes from accounts set down by septons thousands of years later. There are archmaesters at the Citadel who question all of it. Those old histories are full of kings who reigned for hundreds of years, and knights riding around a thousand years before there were knights.”

—AFFC, Samwell I

So the Age of Heroes sword called Ice may have been only a legend, like many of the things from the tales of that time. But if the sword did exist, it’s certainly long gone. It hasn’t been mentioned once in the books since that tiny reference in Cat’s first chapter.

Well, that is, unless these are references:

“So as cold and death filled the earth, the last hero determined to seek out the children, in the hopes that their ancient magics could win back what the armies of men had lost. He set out into the dead lands with a sword, a horse, a dog, and a dozen companions. For years he searched, until he despaired of ever finding the children of the forest in their secret cities. One by one his friends died, and his horse, and finally even his dog, and his sword froze so hard the blade snapped when he tried to use it. And the Others smelled the hot blood in him, and came silent on his trail, stalking him with packs of pale white spiders big as hounds—”

—AGOT, Bran IV

“The armor of the Others is proof against most ordinary blades, if the tales can be believed,” said Sam, “and their own swords are so cold they shatter steel. Fire will dismay them, though, and they are vulnerable to obsidian.” He remembered the one he had faced in the haunted forest, and how it had seemed to melt away when he stabbed it with the dragonglass dagger Jon had made for him. “I found one account of the Long Night that spoke of the last hero slaying Others with a blade of dragonsteel. Supposedly they could not stand against it.”

—AFFC, Samwell I

And if either of those swords were the original Ice, well… we may find out more eventually.